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The reason for Spencer's bad Google review (Read 2,519 times)
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #30 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm
 
I thought I would pull up this guys work order today and review it to make sure I had all the facts and check my notes. It did refresh my memory with some info would be good to add. After all it's been 4.5 years ago.

When he dropped it of the Jeep had no rear brakes. When we are running it in 2WD(two wheel drive) on the dyno we need to be able to stop in in the event something is dangerous. From this guy raising the Jeep he had damaged the rear brake hose and brake line. This was discussed and got approval at the beginning. I also have notes of asking what fuel injectors he swapped for the stock ones and he didn't have the PPH(pound per hour) and voltage and pressure offset info. This is normally supplied with performance injectors. When it isn't I can get the needed info in house as we have an off the car injector flow bench for the PPH and I use the PICO scope(there ya go Andy we got the PICO scope involved in the thread) for calculating voltage and pressure offsets. This also was explained to and approved by the consumer.

Keep these extras in mind for when we get to his review.  Cool

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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #31 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:58pm
 
Just out of curiosity Spence, I have a feeling that this guy used a Megasquirt ECU. Could you comment on how you figured out the PPH of the injectors with a Picoscope and a injector flow bench?
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #32 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:35pm
 
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Just out of curiosity Spence, I have a feeling that this guy used a Megasquirt ECU. Could you comment on how you figured out the PPH of the injectors with a Picoscope and a injector flow bench?


He was using an Accel DFI Gen 7 system.

I can and I have. We will make another thread out of it. Work for you?
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:36pm
 
Spence wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:35pm:
We will make another thread out of it. Work for you?


Right on Spence, sounds good!
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:40pm
 
Spence wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:35pm:
Accel DFI Gen 7 system


Not bad at all, that's a good ECU.
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:43pm
 
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Spence wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:35pm:
We will make another thread out of it. Work for you?


Right on Spence, sounds good!


I did a group therapy I believe back in Sept 2014 about the subject as well. Might want to look into that.

Remind me after we get through this thread as I can only type so fast and only have so much time about talking fuel injectors and programming. You won't have to twist my arm to hard to do it as it is a subject I like to get into.

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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #36 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:43pm
 
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Spence wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:35pm:
Accel DFI Gen 7 system


Not bad at all, that's a good ECU.


It sure is!
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #37 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 8:44pm
 
With that said a week or two goes by and I find out there's been a review to our business on Google. And it's from our boy Andrew. Could not believe what I was reading. Being one(me that is) of dealing with thing in a more direct way I call the lad up and try to find out where he was coming from. (Side note, among my friends it's normally if we are gonna text more then three times call me).

Anyways...

I figured after he left something happen that I missed or did not know about... Nope... What we did with the Jeep was fine... From what I remember it was just a weird conversation that seemed he had no conversation skills. I went over our calls and conversations from my notes and he remembers them. I go with a strategy of how would you(the consumer) of handled it different if the shoe was on the other foot.(in other words him calling me to explain the progress and the extra work needed)... I get no real answer just you said you could program the Stand Alone for what you quoted. Which I replied I did and so far you have been bill for less then what I quoted and the reason why.

What I gather from the conversation was he was getting over his head with this project of his. It wasn't going as smooth as he thought. He wanted to be doing events by now and he and his friend have to pull it back apart. I am not sure what they found at the front of the trans but maybe they damaged something installing the engine but whatever it was he seemed frustrated with his vehicle but not our work. For that part I was glad.

I went on to explain my position and that I didn't feel his comments were warranted. From what I could gather he felt this is the one thing he could control and felt he was in power. He was pissed off at the world and I was his punching bag.

At this point those reading for a bit of an education here's my reason for doing something you may or may not of picked up on. I did NOT bill him for the full price of the programming for a reason. A couple of things could of happened and you may agree or not agree after hearing it.

1. What if I had bill him full price and he decided to sell the vehicle and get out of it. I charged for something I did not finish. At this point do you give a refund. Does the new owner expect you to finish it because who he bought it from says we owe it to him as it has been paid for. Could the seller say in order to make the sale of the vehicle that there's more to do then what is really been paid for to make the sale. The list can go on and on and on but I think you might see where I am thinking on it. You could come back with a whole hosts of how to get around such a conflict but I choose to not let it happen in the first place.

2. And this is what I used it for. I told him a the end of the call if this is how he conducts himself that I no longer wish to work for him. Just like he has a choice where he can get his vehicle serviced I can choose if I want to work for anyone or not. The good part is I have a solid leg to stand on being as he has not been billed for services he has not received yet. 

Option two may just prove to be a good decision. We'll see... Maybe another day...  Cool

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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #38 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:21pm
 
Very well played Spence! I appreciate you for sharing this with us along with your perspective on how you foresaw it possibly getting worst. I would have definitely not thought about it like you did. Well Done!
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #39 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:35am
 
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Very well played Spence! I appreciate you for sharing this with us along with your perspective on how you foresaw it possibly getting worst. I would have definitely not thought about it like you did. Well Done!


Thanks.

I wish I could say this came from me being smart... But it didn't... They only way I could claim being smart is from learning from my mistakes(which I have done my fair share of and then some).

And two from doing just what we are doing here and discussing an issue and bouncing ideas and experiences off of each other. The key to either of these is adjusting and more so applying your new found knowledge.

If you thought we were done with this guy and reviews you thought wrong.  Cool
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #40 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 11:16am
 
You handled it betetr than i would..good job on cya..
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #41 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Spence wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:35am:
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Very well played Spence! I appreciate you for sharing this with us along with your perspective on how you foresaw it possibly getting worst. I would have definitely not thought about it like you did. Well Done!


Thanks.

I wish I could say this came from me being smart... But it didn't... They only way I could claim being smart is from learning from my mistakes(which I have done my fair share of and then some).

And two from doing just what we are doing here and discussing an issue and bouncing ideas and experiences off of each other. The key to either of these is adjusting and more so applying your new found knowledge.

If you thought we were done with this guy and reviews you thought wrong.  Cool



Buggar Spence......looks like another arse has just added another one !
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #42 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 3:57pm
 
Logic wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Spence wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:35am:
Ernest wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Very well played Spence! I appreciate you for sharing this with us along with your perspective on how you foresaw it possibly getting worst. I would have definitely not thought about it like you did. Well Done!


Thanks.

I wish I could say this came from me being smart... But it didn't... They only way I could claim being smart is from learning from my mistakes(which I have done my fair share of and then some).

And two from doing just what we are doing here and discussing an issue and bouncing ideas and experiences off of each other. The key to either of these is adjusting and more so applying your new found knowledge.

If you thought we were done with this guy and reviews you thought wrong.  Cool



Buggar Spence......looks like another arse has just added another one !


Dead man walking may figure that one out as well...  Wink
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #43 - Dec 8th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
Ready for the next chapter?   Undecided
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Re: The reason for Spencer's bad Google review
Reply #44 - Dec 8th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Okay... Lets see how good you are... 

After a bit more time goes by(month or so) I answer the phone and take a SWAG at who's on the other end of the phone?

If you are really feeling lucky tell me what this person wants?

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