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Jun 25th, 2018 at 1:09pm
 
I got a call to look at a 2003 TT600 which apparently stalled on the motorway at 70mph and rolled to a stop but restarted once the ignition was reset. The owner also thought it didnt feel right but this might just be his imagination.

I arrived and the bike was running perfect with no issues.  Quick test ride and all was good. no issues detected.

I then ran Tuneecu and read the fault codes which were:-

P0351
P0352
P0353
P0354
P1351
P1352
P1353
P1354

All the codes refer to the ignition primary for all 4 cylinders. Description was open circuit or short to earth.

I cleared all codes but could not replicate the issue. I disconnected all the connectors including the main engine harness under the tank, Both ECU connectors, checked engine management fuse, checked the main relay that controls ECU. I found no issues. Ive checked the loom for damage but cant see any signs of rubbing etc.

I even dug the scope out and had a look at the current ramping on the coils. All were around 6 amp peak and all looked good with no abnormal humps anywhere. all 4 looked the same.

Im at a bit of a loss which direction to go now with it. The bike has a datatool alarm so im thinking of bypassing this to rule it out. Ive seen these cause issues in the past.

Ive looked at the wiring diagram on the only thing that the 4 ignition coils have in common are the 12v feed. I also considered powers/grounds to the ECU which ive yet to check. I maybe need to check for current ramp on the injectors as its on the same circuit as the ignition coils so in theory if one was shorting internally it could bring the 12v down creating the codes but i would have expected to see injector codes too however im not too experienced with triumphs so who knows.

anyone got any other suggestions. Ive ruled out the 4 main ground side switches from the ECU to the coilpacks.
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Re: Triumph TT600
Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 8:03am
 
I've been back to this today due to non start. I quickly got the scope out and confirmed injector and ignition. A quick spray of carb cleaner down the throttle body got it running until the fuel ran out.

The fuel pump was priming etc and sounded normal but when I put the scope on it there was no amp spike at the start of the pump beginning to turn and only a average of 2.25amps with the pump running. The pumps a 4 sector and looked what id expect to see for a 30k pump with average even humps with exception of the turn on spike. So based on the findings of this I've called it pump failure. I've emptied the tank and removed the pump and found contaminated petrol with plenty of water and sludge in the tank.

Do you guys agree its looking like pump failure.
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 12:08pm
 
Here is the strange looking fuel pump amperage with no initial spike.

Pumps spinning approx 8500rpm which seems very fast compared to 3450rpm from the good known pump.
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2018 at 12:11pm
 
Heres one from another fuel injected bike I had that was running. Its a different timescale but you can see what I mean
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Reply #4 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
Update - I sourced a used pump as the owner didn't have the money for a new pump and fitted it this morning. Good news was it fired straight up. I checked rpm of the replacement pump which was around half the rpm of the original and its drawing about 3.5A with a good current spike when it turns on.
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Reply #5 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 4:59am
 
Mark, with the high RPM and lack of amp draw it would appear it is mechanically fractured, meaning no load against the gears or how ever, JMO.

Interesting rabbit trail though heading you on an electrical goose hunt when was fuel, just how it is some times.

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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2018 at 10:12pm
 
Yes I agree. Something sheered in the pump.

That's the way it goes sometimes but it also shows that sometimes fault codes can lead you up the garden path. I spoke with the owner a few days ago and he's covered over 500 mile with no issues. In fact he said it's starting better than it ever has. So that's good news.
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