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Re: In need of advice in regards to shop ownership
Reply #15 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:56am
 
Preston,

Reading through all the replies here. Very supportive from everyone. It is a HUGH under taking to be a owner. You are at the right age and have the right drive to succeed in business.

I don't know the demographics down there to well. This is your area of expertise. But I would like you to think about a couple of things I noticed in the threads.

First thing I noticed is the gross sales. This to me is extremely low. I opened my shop and it was not a turn key. Just a fresh shop with myself and a service writer. We had generated that type of number the first year. The number you provided needs to be doubled within the first year being it is a turnkey business already. You have to set a goal for yourself. Figure out your average car count and set goals to increase the car count. But with saying this don't over promise and under deliver as well. It is easy to do.

Next issue is how you are going to market yourself? As with any business you need to stand out from the rest. We all here know your talent. Questions is does the public in your demographic are know this?

I would spend some time going around to the shops in your area and letting them know your talent. Most shops can do mechanical work but it is the electrical and runability which they have issues with. You have to sell them you can diag it for them without the customer knowing about it. Basically you want their shop to be the hero and retain their customer. In return you get their headache problems and grow your business!! Pretty soon you will be the go to guy in the area!!

The other thing I noticed in your posting in your wife works at the hospital. This could be a good source of cliental for you. Most usually have a good income and you are close and convenient and you can offer rides back and forth.  I would caution with your wife working there to be discrete as some things can back fire with referring.

These are just a couple of things I just wanted to point out. I think starting with the basics of you opening your doors and getting the word out of your capabilities is critical. As this thread grows we can all provide feedback to you. The bottom line is it's up to you to make your business grow and thrive. We can only provide input and some guidance for you.

Have you given any thought to OE tooling?
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Reply #16 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:30am
 
autosparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
Did you ask the old owners to stay on for a few months to help out??


  The contract says the main guy will stay on for 2 weeks, I'm going to ask him if he wouldn't mind sticking around longer than that, at shortened hours and days, just to make more contact with customers.  You only see a very small percentage of your clients in 2 weeks.

autosparky wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
$165k for the history between two partners is a declining sales figure hope you realize,


  That number was the biggest red flag for me from the get go.  1 guy that's busy most of the year, and is decently efficient, with someone writing service to make up for slow days, should still be able to get close to 200K in labor sales alone.  The 10 year P&L I received, showed 1.65M, so divided evenly comes out to an average 165K per year.  Considering 10 years ago was about the time the bottom fell out of the US, and that the last three years have been 159K, 163K, and 172K ( on paper ), I feel confident from talking around and with the owners that the number is reflective of a lack of drive.  Inspections on every car don't happen, and work sold is likely the minimum the customer came in for.  Marketing and changing the customer thought process will make a huge difference and be a necessarily large part of my plan.  I look to gather as much information over the next few weeks to ensure that there is room to grow.

Abndanger wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:56am:
First thing I noticed is the gross sales. This to me is extremely low. I opened my shop and it was not a turn key. Just a fresh shop with myself and a service writer. We had generated that type of number the first year. The number you provided needs to be doubled within the first year being it is a turnkey business already. You have to set a goal for yourself. Figure out your average car count and set goals to increase the car count. But with saying this don't over promise and under deliver as well. It is easy to do.


  My goal is 250K by end of year 2017, and that's if I'm running it by myself, with the wife answering phones for me part time if needed.Abndanger wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:56am:
Next issue is how you are going to market yourself? As with any business you need to stand out from the rest. We all here know your talent. Questions is does the public in your demographic are know this?


  Working on that.  Have my older sister helping me out big time.  She was vice president of marketing when she left Infineon raceway in Sonoma CA a few years ago.  She's currently very high up in the marketing dept. for the USO.  Her husband, who is just the best brother in law, joined the coast guard to take advantage of the education opportunities, and he also graduated from Boston University a year ago with a degree in finance.  They will be great help.

Abndanger wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:56am:
The other thing I noticed in your posting in your wife works at the hospital. This could be a good source of cliental for you. Most usually have a good income and you are close and convenient and you can offer rides back and forth.  I would caution with your wife working there to be discrete as some things can back fire with referring.

 
  Yes, I've thought about this too.  I wouldn't really push it, just let it play itself out.  I figure just with her current coworkers that would be happy to bring their vehicles to me, I can ensure a great experience, and word will get out.  An ex boss of mine, at All County Automotive, tried hard marketing techniques, that got him banned from a bunch of places.  He sent the kid out one day to put flyers under windshield wipers in the parking lot of a satellite branch of the hospital.  A place where the labs are and primary doctors offices and such.  Well, since it was the summer in Florida, guess what it rained, and all those flyers made a huge mess.  What a dipshit. 

Abndanger wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:56am:
Have you given any thought to OE tooling?


  On my list of things I want to look for on Tuesday when I go to the shop, is printing out reports of customers and vehicles.  I most definitely want to up the tooling game, as it's very spotty in the area and I can fill a gap.  I want to focus it toward the initial customer base though.  No sense buying the Consult III plus if they only have 3 customers with Nissans, unless you properly set that up to ensure you are checking for updates on every visit. 

  The shop up the road that I'd like to buy in 5 years ( of which he owns the business and property ), doesn't do much OE tooling.  Another ex employer, Clark, has a Tech2, but programming is not a regular occurrence.  Across the street from Clark is Shaffer, and he I believe has an IDS, because he is very Ford saturated.  Looking into the addition of said tools sooner than later, as part of my marketing plan is going to be to stress how factory capable I am.  The dealers are all basically about 4 miles further south of the shop, or 10 miles north.  The VCDS is going to happen probably automatically, seeing as how the yacht clubs have a bunch of them lying around, and the yachty kids have VW's.  For the price its ridiculous not to have one if you do any VAG work.

  I'll post some more info for you guys if you'd like, some of the research and stuff I've done if youre interested.
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Reply #17 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:48am
 
The yellow horizontal line is for reference, it's about 8 miles end to end.  The shops with the purple pins are mostly euro stuff, the red pins are what I would consider actual competition for the customer base I want, the yellow pins are general repair shops that could be IMO easily overtaken by someone such as myself.  By that, I mean motivated and making a big push to bring auto service and repair into the 21st century.  I mean hell, just having a neat and clean waiting room would likely sway people to come to me.  The wife is already ordering some stickers that would reflect the shop as a "breast feeding friendly" facility.  I didn't even know they had those.  Let me tell you, with the money down here, there be a lot of younger mothers that are homemakers and need to have vehicles serviced.  My head explodes just thinking of having my wife at the shop for a couple hours, right around the time a young mother comes in for a waiter oil change.  Just the conversation alone would keep them coming back!!
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Reply #18 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:56am
 
To the left, is US1, the main throughway for commuters who live in Port Saint Lucie and Jensen beach, to travel into Stuart, where much of the business districts are.
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Reply #19 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:13pm
 
Congrats again Preston, wish you the best. Wink  Now I have another good excuse to go to Florida every year, go visit you at your shop😉
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Re: In need of advice in regards to shop ownership
Reply #20 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
Abndanger wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Hi Preston,

Congrats brother Smiley


I hate paying rent except to myself) Wink


Congratulations, listen to Bob
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Reply #21 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 5:05pm
 
busjockey wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Congrats again Preston, wish you the best.


Jose aka superskyliner wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
Congratulations


  Thanks guys.

busjockey wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Now I have another good excuse to go to Florida every year, go visit you at your shop


  I'd be more than happy to see some ugly mugs swing by.

Jose aka superskyliner wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
listen to Bob


  Believe me, I have been, and taking notes!
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Re: In need of advice in regards to shop ownership
Reply #22 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:28pm
 
Congrats! Lots of great advice

I am not sure how they could survive on 165k in annual sales. That is less than $14,000 a month in sales
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Reply #23 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
Exactly.  If I was them, I'd be concerned about the amount of money that the IRS didn't know about.
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Reply #24 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:40pm
 
If you get a good reputation you will wanting to have a good network of talent to hire. One thing that really took me off gaurd is being busy..

I am too busy to work during the day.  50 plus phone calls average per day and 10 people a day for a one man show is too much. Cheesy

I refuse to hire, so I have been trying to come up with ways to slow traffic.

I run factory tools for Dodge, GM, Ford and buy more in tools per month than the wage I pull. People treat me like gold and it is far less stress than working for someone else. I am sure you'll love it, but your head spins for a while until you get settled in with all the little details.
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Reply #25 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:06am
 
  Sorry for not updating, the shop I was looking to buy fell through, or I should say I pulled the plug.  After going through last years QB's, I found that 46% of the sales could be attributed directly to the car lot across the street.  On it's own, that would be a crazy deal to take over, as I would essentially be at the car lots mercy, and that ain't how I fly.  On top of that, I went to speak with the owner of the car lot, and he had a falling out with the shop owners a few months ago, so he hired his own mechanic and would not even be doing any business with me anyway.  I can't blame him at all, makes more sense for him.  If he was closer to 15%, I would have moved forward. 

Bill Hamilton wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
If you get a good reputation you will wanting to have a good network of talent to hire. One thing that really took me off gaurd is being busy..


  Likely one of the most difficult things to have anywhere in this country, but down here in South Florida it's really difficult.  I go to many training classes and unfortunately there just isn't much existing.  I would really be looking to create the talent from within.  I'm a big believer in finding someone with the attitude and drive in the right places, and then showing them the way.

Bill Hamilton wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
I am sure you'll love it, but your head spins for a while until you get settled in with all the little details.


  I hear that.

  Thanks again all for the info, advice, and knowledge.
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Reply #26 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:11am
 
This is business, OK the old shop lost a big player, if your still keen and willing to put the effort in to grow the business, and the fact the old guys are retiring, put a stupid bid in to buy the place, seriously think about it, don't worry about hurting anyone feelings, old guys want out, they won't want to carry out the old tools, landlord wants place rented.

Sure Its a lot of work marketing the business, have you got any good contacts for this?
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Reply #27 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
autosparky wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:11am:
Sure Its a lot of work marketing the business, have you got any good contacts for this?


  Potentially.

  You make a good point Sparky, just a seemingly daunting task trying to fill the void right out of the gate.  I really am in no position "lose" that much personal income, however for another 20K less than my initial offer, could be considered my salary cushion. 
  Honestly, I would not be surprised at all if I got a phone call or email in a couple weeks asking if I would be interested in making another offer.
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Reply #28 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
busjockey wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Congrats again Preston, wish you the best. Wink  Now I have another good excuse to go to Florida every year, go visit you at your shop😉


Ahem.  lol

Sorry we won't get together at Automechanika this year Busjockey!
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Reply #29 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
PRESTON wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:06am:
  Sorry for not updating, the shop I was looking to buy fell through, or I should say I pulled the plug. 


It wasn't meant to be.  There will be another, and another and (etc.) opportunity and when the RIGHT one does, you'll get it.  You will be wiser then too.

In any case, we are behind you all the way!
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