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Migrating to the US... seeking opinions
May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am
 
Hi guys,

I currently reside here in Manila, Philippines and have lived here for most of my life. I am a US citizen and I’ve been running my own shop here for about 3 years now (3 techs, 5 bay garage, I’m  the foreman/manager/owner), and it hasn’t been that great business-wise. I’ve been working on cars for the last 8 years, and have a lot of experience with Honda and Toyota. I do a lot of mechanical work and driveability (Quite new at it, I’m hard at work improving on it). Long story short, my wife and I have decided that it would be better to move to the states in hope for more stability, and better quality of life (grass is always greener on the other side hehe). For starters, we plan on living with my dad in Vegas just to get settled in, get a job, and then when things are stable, we move out (to where, we don’t know yet).

I’m hoping to continue being a technician in the states. Admittedly I have zero experience working in the states and have no idea what sort of culture exists in the auto repair industry and what the pay is like. I’m expecting the worst, but at the same time I’m hoping to be able to provide for my wife and future children.

I wanted to seek your expert opinions and input about my hopeful career and how to make it in the industry as a technician and perhaps points against it.

1)Should I start of at the dealership or an independent garage?
2) How is life working flat rate?
3) Can I provide enough for my family in this career?
4) Any other things to consider that I may have overlooked?
5) Should I consider another career instead of continuing being a technician?

I look forward to hearing from everyone on here. Thanks, guys!


Matt

PS: Not sure if this topic is allowed on Autonerdz.
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Reply #1 - May 13th, 2015 at 4:12am
 
Matt,

As any changes in life it is a tough call when relocating or life style change. I can tell you here(Michigan) in my opinion we are hurting for quality technicians.

Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am:
1)Should I start of at the dealership or an independent garage?


Depends where you feel comfortable and do you want to specialize in one brand or diversify Wink

Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am:
2) How is life working flat rate?


Flat rate is ok and money can be made based on hours sold and car count. There are numerous pay programs out there you can explore Wink

Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am:
3) Can I provide enough for my family in this career?


Yes, if you are a good tech and willing to learn and take pride in your work. The sky is the limit with the right business you work for Smiley

Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am:
4) Any other things to consider that I may have overlooked?


Dealerships should have all the necessary tooling to get the job done.

When dealing with Independents. You need to do your research on them as the business owner will with you. Ask the owner questions like, what is your car count? what are your benefits if any? what is the pay scale? what tooling do you have to diagnose vehicle?

These are just a couple questions you can ask. It is important to do a visual of the shop inside and out. Think of yourself as a customer. Is the business warm and inviting? Lobby clean? Shop clean? All indicators of how a business may or may not be operating correctly.

See if you click with the interviewer. Judge their personality. First impression are a lasting one and goes both ways Smiley

I am a business owner and like to see both sides of the coin Wink

Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 1:09am:
5) Should I consider another career instead of continuing being a technician?



Tough question Cheesy If you like what you do, why change. You may not be happy doing anything else and can disrupt family life Wink

HTH a little with your quest and others I am sure will fill my void here. All are professional's here Smiley
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Reply #2 - May 13th, 2015 at 7:10am
 
Matt,

The 5 questions you have asked in your post are the same 5 questions that most techs ask themselves every day.

There are no easy answers.  If you ask 100 techs you will get 100 different opinions.

The best I can do is simply offer my own opinions to you. Wink


1) I prefer independent garages.  I like working on different types of vehicles, rather than one line.  Tooling is sometimes an issue at indy garages but there is never a dull day.

2)I don't work on flat rate.  I get paid hourly and prefer it that way.  This is another reason I don't want to work in a dealer, because practically all dealers are flat rate.  When I did work flat rate, it was GREAT on weeks where there were plenty of cars and everything went smooth.  On weeks where there were problem cars or slow days, it was terrible.  That's the nature of life on flat rate.  Whether or not flat rate is good also depends on what kind of jobs your shop is giving you and how good the service writer is at making sure to get all the labor hours that he should for a job.  You can make good money on flat rate EASILY if you are doing brake jobs, ball joints, and water pumps all the time.  If you get stuck with all the diagnostics, it's a lot tougher to turn out big hours, especially if the shop doesn't charge appropriately for diagnostics.

3) There are lots of guys providing for their families in this business.  Some better than others.  Where you are going to be living/working will have a big impact on what kind of life you can provide for your family.  Rural areas are cheaper to live in, but pay rates are also lower.  Cities have better pay usually, but higher cost of living as well.  You will have to try and find a balance that works for you.

4) Location, location, location ...  How techs work and survive in one state/city is going to be very different from how techs work and survive in another.  Once you have some ideas on locations, try to talk to techs in that area and find out what sort of pay/benefits they are getting, what their rent/mortgage costs, local taxes, etc.  I can't stress enough how much things vary from one place to another.  In some places, techs make 6 figures easily.  In others, the best of techs struggle to make 35k a year.

5)  That's up to you.  I can say that there are other careers that will pay as well or better with less stress and physical wear and tear.  Many of them may require a degree.  Someone who is mechanically inclined and has a 2 year degree from a community college has any number of options.  For example, I hear that many factories have repair techs for equipment that get paid quite well.

But you have to ask yourself if you would be happy without the daily pressure and challenge of the modern automobile ... Smiley

Personally, although I often talk/dream of leaving this industry ... I just don't know if I would feel satisfied without the constant technical challenges of complex modern cars staring me in the face every day Wink
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Reply #3 - May 13th, 2015 at 3:15pm
 
Thank you Abndanger and Derreck. Smiley

It's really great hearing from other professionals especially when it comes to something this big. hehe
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Reply #4 - May 13th, 2015 at 9:13pm
 
How often do you guys encounter driveability problems and the like in your workplace? Back here in Manila, it's quite rare and it's mostly brake and suspension work becausw of the poor road conditions and extreme traffic.
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Reply #5 - May 14th, 2015 at 9:16am
 
Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
How often do you guys encounter driveability problems and the like in your workplace? Back here in Manila, it's quite rare and it's mostly brake and suspension work becausw of the poor road conditions and extreme traffic.



I get them pretty much daily.  They aren't all difficult or intense diagnosises ... most times it's simple failed sensors, worn tune-up components, and so forth.  But, there's driveability problems almost every day.

As with everything else, the shop you wind up at and the area it's in will determine what kind of problems you see every day.  In states that don't have emmissions testing (we don't have it here in Kentucky), many people will ignore warning lights and don't bring it in unless it's running bad.

Some areas have poor roads and there's lots of suspension issues. 

One great source of electrical/computer jobs is body shops.  If you go to a shop that has a good relationship with the local body shops, you will get a lot of late model cars with collision-related problems.  Since these jobs are being paid by insurance companies in most cases, you usually get to fix it all.  We get lots of cars with airbag lights on, new modules that need programming, and so forth from our local body shops.

If you have the skill, you may be able to get on board with a shop that does mobile programming and diagnostics.  Bob (abndanger) does a lot of that stuff.  Basically, you would spend a lot of time going to other shops to either diagnose a car for them, or do programming for them.  I wish my shop offered that service, I'd volunteer for the job Smiley
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Reply #6 - May 14th, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
Matthew R. wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
How often do you guys encounter driveability problems and the like in your workplace? Back here in Manila, it's quite rare and it's mostly brake and suspension work becausw of the poor road conditions and extreme traffic.


Darren, I would have to echo Derreck.

When it comes to shops. Either the owners are living in the past or they are living in the future is what I see. Wink

In my area we have about 200 repair shops. Everyone does pretty much everything, but some are specialized.

My goal is to try and stick strictly to driveability and mobile programming. I don't like to get my hands dirty to much anymore and I stay busy with shops and customer being referred to me Wink

Everyday I learn something new. It is an ever changing technology and needs to be embraced Smiley

To find a good mechanical tech who takes pride in his work and does a great job is hard to find.

Derreck wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 9:16am:
I'd volunteer for the job 


Like I have said Derreck. I would hire you if you want to work up here in Michigan Wink

We could make a killing on some diag and mobile work Smiley

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Abndanger wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Like I have said Derreck. I would hire you if you want to work up here in Michigan Wink

We could make a killing on some diag and mobile work Smiley



You're nothing if not persistent, Bob.   Wink
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Reply #8 - May 14th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
There are quite a lot of differences there, and I think they are good things. Well, I'm really looking forward to starting anew over there.. and definitely looking forward to meeting some fellow Nerdz!

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
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Abndanger wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Everyday I learn something new. It is an ever changing technology and needs to be embraced Smiley

To find a good mechanical tech who takes pride in his work and does a great job is hard to find.


I agree with you 100%. I think finding a good tech/employee in any industry is hard. And when you do, sometimes their ego is the problem.

We have a lot of very talented mechanical techs back here, but most of them end up leaving the country in search for higher pay. I don't blame them, wages here are horrible for techs.

What's lacking in the Philippines are Nerdz like everyone on this forum who have a very good grasp on the electronic side of vehicles.

Abndanger wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Like I have said Derreck. I would hire you if you want to work up here in Michigan Wink

We could make a killing on some diag and mobile work Smiley



I hope one day to be just as good as you guys. It's really inspiring to have guys like you on here. Smiley
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Reply #10 - May 15th, 2015 at 12:52am
 
Matthew,

Sounds like you have made your mind up to come to the states. AWESOME!!!

I know for a fact there are a shortage of tech here in West Michigan. We have a lot of good quality techs here. Good one's are taken care of pretty well as not to loose them and the not so good one's bounce around.

Your welcome to come up here. The cold would be a major factor in the Winter I am sure for you Wink

Do some research as Derreck has suggested on cost of living and wages before committing to anything. Wink
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Reply #11 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:10am
 
Bob,

Yup, it's final. Just have to sort out the details and logistics. Looking to be in the states Q1 of 2016. Can't wait!

It helps that I have family over there already to help us settle in and get started.

In the meantime, back to work!

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Reply #12 - May 15th, 2015 at 5:56am
 
Derreck wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 6:05pm:
Abndanger wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Like I have said Derreck. I would hire you if you want to work up here in Michigan Wink

We could make a killing on some diag and mobile work Smiley



You're nothing if not persistent, Bob.   Wink



What about California, Derreck?
No rust, no snow. No problems!
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Matthew R. wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:10am:
Bob,Yup, it's final. Just have to sort out the details and logistics. Looking to be in the states Q1 of 2016. Can't wait!It helps that I have family over there already to help us settle in and get started.


Awesome! Just think you have 9 month's to plan. Make sure you do some research and maybe we will see you on TV at Counts Kustom's in Lost Wages Wink

JNelson wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:56am:
What about California, Derreck?No rust, no snow. No problems!


Hey John, I got first dibs in here Grin

At least in Michigan we won't end up in the ocean. Plus, you guys don't have deep except in a petting zoo. We have deer here in Michigan Grin
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Reply #14 - May 15th, 2015 at 9:59am
 
JNelson wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:56am:
What about California, Derreck?


Here's a good summation of my thoughts on California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGdoqsuiN8

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You guys have the best weather and awesome views ... sure.  Everything else there is terrible Cheesy



Abndanger wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 7:03am:
We have deer here in Michigan



+1 for Michingan Wink

Also, the gun laws are pretty relaxed up there, right?  Here in Ky, gun are basically non-existent. Cheesy  Which is the way I like it Wink
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