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Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 5:55am

No experience with Flex ray as yet.

Narrowly avoided a Byteflight last week after the owner expected me to quote analysis......screw that......told the fellow I was not going to inherit his problems, I would fix it but not own it. He would not accept that so conversation ended.

I have mainly dealt with CAN, then LIN and BSD.

My decoding and reverse engineering has been progressing on CAN.

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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55am

Logic wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2015 at 11:34am:

Spence wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2015 at 7:03am:

Logic wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2015 at 6:28am:

If PID data is used with the MongoosePro® Vehicle Interface Cable then we should be able to achieve the same with the Picoscope 6 software as previously noted in Picoscope suggestions,mpart of my current bucket list.

I note that the MongoosePro Cable has CAN as well as ISO 9141.

I wonder which of these the Pico NVH software uses or if it is variable.

I believe it is variable. Shall we find out?

I think we should

So do I... Fair enough... Brian send one of these bad boys my way and we'll check it out. Cool

I own the EVA as well as the NVH 4000/4100 to run with it. So far from what I have seen the PICO's software mirrors the NVH 4000/4100.

Happy Easter everyone!

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #18 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:21pm

Logic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 5:55am:

No experience with Flex ray as yet.

I would have thought you have dabbled already. If you do, can you pot up some captures

Logic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 5:55am:

Narrowly avoided a Byteflight last week after the owner expected me to quote analysis......screw that......told the fellow I was not going to inherit his problems, I would fix it but not own it. He would not accept that so conversation ended.I have mainly dealt with CAN, then LIN and BSD. My decoding and reverse engineering has been progressing on CAN

I know all about (Dutch) customers Grin

Be honest I don't know what BSD is. I will have to do some research on it

Spence wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55am:

I own the EVA as well as the NVH 4000/4100 to run with it. So far from what I have seen the PICO's software mirrors the NVH 4000/4100.Happy Easter everyone!

Hey Spence, have you every used it for engine vibration? Is it sensitive enough to detect a engine misfire? Just curious Wink

Have a Happy Easter as well

Brian Haley wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 11:31am:

On it's way Spence

Heck Brian if your allowing us to trial run one. I will demo one and give you feedback

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #19 - Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm

BSD = BIT SERIAL DATA

I think it is just a simple bit sequence communication, very simple and limited.

My investigations usually have a diagnostic association, Thus little faults in a system little practical need for investigation.

I'm very keen on CAN reverse engineering or rather CAN database files, again from a diagnostic standpoint, I see Tom has made reference today in another thread to CAN and the relevance of decoding, clearly there is going to be a diversity of views and these can be valid dependent of your perspective, however if you do not investigate you will never know.

The other issue is that we all have limited time.

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #20 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 1:22am

Logic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm:

I'm very keen on CAN reverse engineering or rather CAN database files, again from a diagnostic standpoint, I see Tom has made reference today in another thread to CAN and the relevance of decoding, clearly there is going to be a diversity of views and these can be valid dependent of your perspective, however if you do not investigate you will never know

Ian, I know a lot of people do not see a use in CAN decoding. I myself could see a couple uses. For instance, you have a vehicle which is experiencing a parasitic load. There is a module staying active on the bus. You connect your scope to the dlc. After all the modules have gone to sleep you can see activity. If you can identify this module then you can narrow down the circuit.

Second, I had an issue a couple years ago whereby a customer replaced a PCM in a Chrysler product. I programmed the PCM and had to go to the WCM to transfer the Security code to the PCM.

Issue is the WCM said the procedure was complete. Vehicle would not start. Now who is at fault. PCM or WCM. I could not prove the WCM sent the coding. Nor could I prove the PCM received it. But if I had my scope hooked up and was able to decode the modules. I could have been able to see if the RX or TX signal was sent.

Just my thoughts here and views. It all depends on how proficient you want to be and how much you want to learn.

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #22 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:20am

Abndanger wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:21pm:

I know all about (Dutch) customers Grin

Hmmmmmmm...

Spence wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55am:

I own the EVA as well as the NVH 4000/4100 to run with it. So far from what I have seen the PICO's software mirrors the NVH 4000/4100.Happy Easter everyone!

Abndanger wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Hey Spence, have you every used it for engine vibration? Is it sensitive enough to detect a engine misfire? Just curious Wink

Yup.

Abndanger wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Have a Happy Easter as well

Thanks!

Brian Haley wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 11:31am:

On it's way Spence

Abndanger wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Heck Brian if your allowing us to trial run one. I will demo one and give you feedback

It's real easy... Just give him the credit card number. You're not Dutch are ya?

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #24 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 10:24am

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:20am:

Abndanger wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:Hey Spence, have you every used it for engine vibration? Is it sensitive enough to detect a engine misfire? Just curious Yup.

Got any captures or something you could post up of your experience

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:20am:

Abndanger wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:Heck Brian if your allowing us to trial run one. I will demo one and give you feedback It's real easy... Just give him the credit card number. You're not Dutch are ya?

Nope not Dutch thank God. They do rub off on you when you have a population percentage of 75% Dutch community. Seems like everyone's last name starts with a Van or something to that affect Grin

Before I buy a tool. Normally demo it or research it. Not on a whim to buy things. That is why I do a lot of scan tool comparisons. Unless you have OE. Most AM tools are junk but a good AM tool which does the basics is needed at times Wink

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #25 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

To respond to your post #24

I have captures saved in my NVH 4000/4100. I view them on the tool. Vetronix (now Bosch) has a program called Shop Foreman Pro. I do not have that loaded on anything at this time. As mentioned from what I have seen of the Pico it mirrors a lot of the NVH 4000/4100 screens I have seen.

I have had vibrations caused by the wrong torque convertor on different engines such as a 383 Chrysler that gave me a "1st order" engine vibration. I have removed a plug wire and have seen 1st order as well. Yet it was a big difference in how high of a "g" force and got worse with rpm with the out of balance torque convertor vs the engine miss.

When I receive my new Pico NVH next week we'll see how it goes and I''ll report it so you can then step up and buy yours. Wink

As far as other equipment and not at all limited to scan tools... Yeah I do my research but at times I have to go with my gut and experience as I try not to follow but lead when it comes to my business. It keeps us on the edge.

To sum it up I am an equipment and technology junkie as well. Cool

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #26 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

When I receive my new Pico NVH next week we'll see how it goes and I''ll report it so you can then step up and buy yours.

Keep us informed.

After watching the videos linking in the first post I'm looking at one, and defiantly something new to learn.

I always struggle on wheel speed vibrations and pinpiont the vibrations, have a quite a few tyres cause headaches.

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Re: Poico Scope NVH Video
Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2015 at 2:48am

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

I have had vibrations caused by the wrong torque convertor on different engines such as a 383 Chrysler that gave me a "1st order" engine vibration. I have removed a plug wire and have seen 1st order as well. Yet it was a big difference in how high of a "g" force and got worse with rpm with the out of balance torque convertor vs the engine miss

This is what I was wondering. How far can we diagnose a vibration or misfire or any other issue for this matter. I can visualize the tool doing much much more

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

When I receive my new Pico NVH next week we'll see how it goes and I''ll report it so you can then step up and buy yours.

This I would really like to see. I have to admit I am curious as to how well this tool will work and ad me diagnosing vehicles.

More than likely I will buy it. Anything which saves me time and ads in diagnostics I usually acquire Wink

Spence wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

As far as other equipment and not at all limited to scan tools... Yeah I do my research but at times I have to go with my gut and experience as I try not to follow but lead when it comes to my business. It keeps us on the edge. To sum it up I am an equipment and technology junkie as well

In our type of market we have to stay a head of the curve and capture more of the competitors market.

So many shops are starting to fall to the way side when it comes to technology. I see it every day when they drop off their vehicle's they are in over their head on.

Some are easy fixes and other, well lets say its a challenge Cheesy

I do like good equipment and the proper tools. I hate being limited in diagnostics Wink

Anthony Lamb wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

I always struggle on wheel speed vibrations and pinpiont the vibrations, have a quite a few tyres cause headaches

Anthony, trust me. You are not the only one who has troubles with vibration diagnostics

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