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Apr 1st, 2015 at 5:15pm
 
I was searching the web on the Pico NVH and came upon a 5 part video series a gentleman at a college put together.

Really nice documentation in my opinion. I am not into vibrations diagnostics to much, but if Tom can give me a deal on the tool and I can make a $$$ and learn something. I am all in for it Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzgy1OkJns


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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:10pm
 
Abndanger wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I was searching the web on the Pico NVH and came upon a 5 part video series a gentleman at a college put together.

Really nice documentation in my opinion.


It's not to bad for a beginning look into this subject

Abndanger wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I am not into vibrations diagnostics to much,


Whole new world. The tool when trained and used correctly makes you look like the hero when others are chasing there tails.

Abndanger wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 5:15pm:
but if Tom can give me a deal on the tool and I can make a $$$ and learn something. I am all in for it Wink


Now now... Would you like that if your customers walked in and said that to you in the beginning of a purchase?

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That takes to the final video of 5. It's good to watch them all.   Smiley
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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:08am
 
Spence wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
Now now... Would you like that if your customers walked in and said that to you in the beginning of a purchase


Once in a while with my long term loyal customers. I through them a bone and give them a deal Wink

Spence wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
That takes to the final video of 5. It's good to watch them all


I did go through the other video's. Been watching them for the past two days. The evolution of the NVH has come a long ways.

The issue with the other tools is being outdate and the more modern you got the software got outdated.

Spence wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
Whole new world. The tool when trained and used correctly makes you look like the hero when others are chasing there tails.


This is so true. I think the ROI could be seen in one year.

The thing I would like to try is to use the tool on the engine. Wonder how sensitive the tool is for lets say a misfire or using it for other practices.

I would like to see the microphone in operation. I wonder what uses we would have for it.  Wink

I would like to demo one of the tools to find out. May be see if my buddy at the GM dealer has theirs and see if I can use it.

It's not like the use it anyway. Most stuff like this sits on the self Grin
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:28am
 
If PID data is used with the MongoosePro® Vehicle Interface Cable then we should be able to achieve the same with the Picoscope 6 software as previously noted in Picoscope suggestions,mpart of my current bucket list.

I note that the MongoosePro Cable has CAN as well as ISO 9141.

I wonder which of these the Pico NVH software uses or if it is variable.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:03am
 
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:28am:
If PID data is used with the MongoosePro® Vehicle Interface Cable then we should be able to achieve the same with the Picoscope 6 software as previously noted in Picoscope suggestions,mpart of my current bucket list.

I note that the MongoosePro Cable has CAN as well as ISO 9141.

I wonder which of these the Pico NVH software uses or if it is variable.



I believe it is variable. Shall we find out?
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:34am
 
Spence wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:03am:
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:28am:
If PID data is used with the MongoosePro® Vehicle Interface Cable then we should be able to achieve the same with the Picoscope 6 software as previously noted in Picoscope suggestions,mpart of my current bucket list.

I note that the MongoosePro Cable has CAN as well as ISO 9141.

I wonder which of these the Pico NVH software uses or if it is variable.



I believe it is variable. Shall we find out?


I think we should, BMW does not have CAN at the OBD II plug.

It would be great to be able to select a PID or a CAN message (tapping into a CAN line in my case) and get the variable in the Picoscope window.

Naturally we all understand this cannot achieve the sample rate that we all have with our normal connection but non the less a very useful addition.
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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:48am
 
Also note with this method we could have more than one PID or CAN I.D. being graphed at the same time.
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:56pm
 
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:51pm:


Ian, that was a really nice article. Do you have the NVH tester at your disposal?

I contacted my friend at the dealer today. They are actually waiting for their kit. They have 20 Chevy pick ups experiencing vibration issues right now. Gm engineering the dealer to rule out all possibilities before condemning frame issues.

With this being said, GM has revamped their frames with a body design change which is raising havoc with NVH issues.

Curious to see what GM will do to resolve this.
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 5:11pm
 
Abndanger wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:51pm:


Ian, that was a really nice article. Do you have the NVH tester at your disposal?

I contacted my friend at the dealer today. They are actually waiting for their kit. They have 20 Chevy pick ups experiencing vibration issues right now. Gm engineering the dealer to rule out all possibilities before condemning frame issues.

With this being said, GM has revamped their frames with a body design change which is raising havoc with NVH issues.

Curious to see what GM will do to resolve this.


Probably hang a weight at a certain location to dampen and/or change the frequency.
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 5:16pm
 
Bob, The dealership that I work at used to have  Oldsmobile. A GM special tool was a EVA (electronic vibration analyzer)  it worked on the same principle as the link Mr.Logic posted.  Excellent tool  I wish we still had it, when Olds went out we had to send back all special tools, parts ect.

Your friend at GM should have access to this, or maybe the dealer would sell the EVA  if they are made to switch to  Pico NVH tooling. Wink
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Reply #11 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 5:20pm
 
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:51pm:



Thanks for the link!   Smiley
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:29pm
 
Abndanger wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:51pm:


Ian, that was a really nice article. Do you have the NVH tester at your disposal?

I contacted my friend at the dealer today. They are actually waiting for their kit. They have 20 Chevy pick ups experiencing vibration issues right now. Gm engineering the dealer to rule out all possibilities before condemning frame issues.

With this being said, GM has revamped their frames with a body design change which is raising havoc with NVH issues.

Curious to see what GM will do to resolve this.


No I do not have access to one, but I find the discussion here on it enlightening.

It is great to consider the possibilities of where we can go, what we can do and what can be added to with our Picoscopes.

I find the discussion here a constant primer for my thoughts, I have you all to thank for that.

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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
Abndanger wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Logic wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:51pm:


Ian, that was a really nice article. Do you have the NVH tester at your disposal?

I contacted my friend at the dealer today. They are actually waiting for their kit. They have 20 Chevy pick ups experiencing vibration issues right now. Gm engineering the dealer to rule out all possibilities before condemning frame issues.

With this being said, GM has revamped their frames with a body design change which is raising havoc with NVH issues.

Curious to see what GM will do to resolve this.


No I do not have access to one, but I find the discussion here on it enlightening.

It is great to consider the possibilities of where we can go, what we can do and what can be added to with our Picoscopes.

I find the discussion here a constant primer for my thoughts, I have you all to thank for that.

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Reply #14 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:53am
 
I did talk to Tom yesterday about the tool. He has them on the shelf and has sold a couple.

I asked if he had any feedback from his customers in regards to the tools performance and he said no.

He mention they have tried it a couple of times, but Andrew is the one who has used it the most.

HarleyMike wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 5:16pm:
Bob, The dealership that I work at used to have  Oldsmobile. A GM special tool was a EVA (electronic vibration analyzer)  it worked on the same principle as the link Mr.Logic posted.  Excellent tool  I wish we still had it, when Olds went out we had to send back all special tools, parts ect.Your friend at GM should have access to this, or maybe the dealer would sell the EVA  if they are made to switch to  Pico NVH tooling


Mike, I have heard the EVA works good. The issue is theirs is broken and they are trying to get a rush on the new one before their CSI goes in the drink.

Told him if they let me borrow the tool I will give them a basic class on the potential use of the Pico scope in return. The scope is just not for NVA.

This way they can purchase all the accessories from Tom and be able to broaden their horizon's Smiley

Ian, not to change up subject. Have you used the Pico on Flex Ray yet in the F series BMW's. If so, what is your experience?
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