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Ideas to get more Heavy Duty People on here
Oct 16th, 2014 at 6:35am
 
Hi guys, got a question for everyone, does anyone have some ideas to help get more heavy duty people on here?  I know we have quite a few now which I think is great, but how could we improve this?  I'm spreading the word as much as I can in my neck of the woods.  Tom have you considered trying to contact Ag/Equipment dealers, Truck Dealers, other Transit Authorities?  I would be more than happy to help with this venture.  In the year so far that I have been a member, I think I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the usefulness of the Pico Scope on a Heavy Duty application as have other members.  I know you are busy Tom but thought I would just ask and see what your thoughts are on this.  Ever thought about doing another video showing all the Heavy Duty guys using the Pico Scope?  Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 8:42am
 

Mike,

I think it would be great to get more HD/diesel guys on here.  None of us speak that language here in the office though.  However...if you did a movie..... Wink

I got a bad taste in my mouth working with the local transit authority.  The guys in the shop are great and I had high hopes for that spreading out from there but the politics was crippling.  You know what they say....politicians are like diapers.

They bought a kit and then proceeded to lock it in a cabinet and never let anyone touch it.  For years....

The only way they got anywhere at all was when one of the great techs there bough one himself....

The only way to get into these organizations is from the bottom with the guys that make the wheels turn....literally.

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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 9:41am
 
I have to agree with Tom here, attracting from the ground up with techs is the way forward, as soon as you hit any political or bureaucratic system you may as well  Smiley.

I am trying to do a similar thing here for the motorcycles, but luckily i have a good relationship with the head technical support guy at the importers for several major brands. He holds regular training seminars for the entire dealer network and if i can show him the value in this new scope I'm hoping to convince him to let me do some demo's as part of future training courses.

I already have his interest but just need to to organize a day to travel up with him and let him have a play.

Good thing is he is interested as he comes from a mechanical background, not say a design or management background, where i have found only passing interest in the value of this tool, so if i can get him on board then he will give the system some good exposure.

Is there any way you could do a similar thing for the HD Industry? I suspect once the ball is rolling it will gather speed quickly.
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:44pm
 
I served my time as a HGV mechanic over this side of the water, I work mostly know on light diesel stuff we keep our heavy fleet in service for 25 years so we still have Inline and rotary pumps to deal with our light stuff has a smaller cycle term. From my perspective probably similar in other areas out of 25/30 mechanics, 5 would have an interest in advanced electronics/diagnostics the main bulk of work is still mechanical for HGVs here, it is in a transition period with new technologies
emerging. This is just my own view I would think dealerships rely on the scantool for all diagnostics haven't heard of to many using scopes, some independents source out Diag work to 3rd parties.
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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 1:01pm
 
Let me ask the boss and see what he says, Wink.  Would you put it on the Autonerdz you tube channel?
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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
busjockey wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 1:01pm:
Would you put it on the Autonerdz you tube channel?


Either or both our site and YouTube, depending on the content and your target audience.
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Reply #6 - Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:08pm
 
EDC1 wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
From my perspective probably similar in other areas out of 25/30 mechanics, 5 would have an interest in advanced electronics/diagnostics the main bulk of work is still mechanical for HGVs here, it is in a transition period with new technologies


Unfortunately, the "stick ya head in the sand" mentality is more prevalent in the HD repair industry. To the point of most truck or earthmoving workshops in my area tend to have an auto electrician working for them.

One place that sends me all their light vehicle bought a generic scan tool to help diagnose faults on the large number of Asian branded trucks they see through the shop. The business owner asked me to do some training for some of his guys on common rail diesel and becoming more familiar with the scan tool, which I did.

You know that scan tool hasn't been out of the box since. Smiley
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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:30am
 
Brad H wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:08pm:
To the point of most truck or earthmoving workshops in my area tend to have an auto electrician working for them.

That's the way our place is going they sending off hand full of lads to do certified diag/electrics training. These guys will kinda deal with that side of stuff and try pass on the info to the rest.
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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 4:23am
 
Birds of the same feather flock together. Check their feathers! Maybe that why thay not up in here.
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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2014 at 1:06am
 
More HD people would be great.  I just wish I had more idle time at the shop to use the picoscope and make more posts to the fourm.  Life is crazy busy, I enjoy the work and everyone tells mes to be too busy at the shop is better than having to look for more work. have not had that problem for over 15 years. the slowest the shop was in 2008 or 2009 after the  stock market crash. only booked up for a day or two instead of a week or two at a time.
I will add post as have a chance.
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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2014 at 7:43pm
 
Brad H hit the nail on the head. I just made a proposal to the corporation I work for to start using scopes. The question I was asked was how do we get techs use a scope when 26% of our shops don't use the Nexiq laptops we have   Smiley

Thankfully I persuaded them into letting my shop get one.  Cool Now just to get enough evidence to show other shops how powerful of a tool a scope can be
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Reply #11 - Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:19pm
 
jwalkn wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
Now just to get enough evidence to show other shops how powerful of a tool a scope can be

I can provide plenty of that to help with your case. Smiley  I have fixed quite a few of our buses now with my pico scope, over the past year I have had the scope I have used it to fix 5-6 buses.  If you would like to use some of my captures for examples you are more than welcome to use them.  Just let me know and I will put some up on the cloud and then if you have any questions about them I can explain the problem and what I'm looking at on the scope to find the problem.  One thing In my opinion that I think will definetely sell the use of the scope is using the firstlook sensors for a engine health program, you could catch a Engine getting worn out and instead of letting it run till it blows you can use it to save engines if possible.  I saved the authority I work for thousands of dollars already using the scope.  Need any help let me know.   Smiley
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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
I did purchase the first look kit to go along with the Pico. I think that is where I'm going to get the biggest bang for the buck to show them.
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Reply #13 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 11:52pm
 
The problem is not restricted to just heavy guys, it's across the whole industry.

Personally think that some are limiting their "trade skills" and just love doing the nut's and bolts and that's all they care about, old guys don't care about modern technology, young guys can't understand the old stuff.

Most just don't care for electrics let alone scantools so don't even bother showing them scope stuff - it's just too alien

sorry just my point of view

personally I don't like getting dirty or spending more than hour spannering so I "out-source it" my problem solved Wink
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Reply #14 - Dec 8th, 2014 at 5:18am
 
I understand what your saying Autosparky, however if techs don't try to expand their horizons, they are in for a rude awakening soon.  If your a fleet tech like me your going to have steady work but if you are a repair shop the percentage of electrical and driveability problems is going to increase for the regular incoming work.  I'm hoping that things will shift eventually once other fleets and other HD shops see the benefits of using a scope.  Every time I see a vendor trainer or tech I show them my scope and what I have done with it.   Smiley











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