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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #15 - Oct 5th, 2012 at 11:10pm
 
Yes I do have access to the XC1 official scanner tool.
  The bike was at the central dealer for one year with no success, the scan tool does not detect anything wrong with the system. I been toKTM in  Austria for training on the scan tools and the EFI systems. on the other hand I have another scan tool at my shop  that teaks the KTM maps more in depth than the XC1 does,and neither one gives a hint of what is wrong, this is the big reason I ended up buying a PICOSCOPE, something that I don't regret since more often than not a bike comes along my shop with faults that are not recognize by the scan tools.

Like i said before at my shop I did all the pertinent graduations, etc., loaded  the maps in the right sequence, This bikes requires two map with equal serial numbers, one for the EFI and the other for Electronic power throtlle , I did tried many combinations of maps, the bike is much better now, when working properly ran like hell, but if you slow down the pase, for said 10- 15 seconds, could be a traffic light the ignition advance get stock at a value of some 60 degrees BTDC, on the other hand if you stay riding in race mode nothing happens.
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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
I have a DRZ 400 Suzuki and although not FI they have what they claim to be a TPS when in truth it is not as we would define it in the automotive field.  I merely adjusts timing and has nothing to do with fuel.  I don't know if this is the same concept here with KTM although I know some of them as of late have several mappings for different uses, torque, high speed ect.

Tom I think mentioned adding more cylinders and this is a single I'm pretty sure, which makes some diagnostics more difficult such as Comp wave for analysis other than cranking.

It was mentioned a KTM scan tool and although KTM makes a great product, they I have heard and that even from the dealer are less than user friendly with scan data, just talking here.

If timing stays advanced I would look real hard at the TPS if it works like the DRZ although this is light years ahead of it, might still use the same principle.  There is a Map sensor in the picture so don't know what can be leaned from that.

As a side not this is a nice site, the motorcycle field is becoming more sophistocated and in most cases the techs are light years behing the automotive guys who have been butting their heads for the last 20 years, great site Tom.

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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:56pm
 
I finally caught the engine running rough, to me is the coil, but what is making the coil work like that? could be  the heat irradiating( coil is above the header and behind the radiator) from the engine or is it the ground from the ecu.

left and right TPS´s are working in order. crankshaft sensor does too.
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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #18 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:38pm
 
AlexE wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:56pm:
to me is the coil, but what is making the coil work like that?


just a heads up, alex.  you need to capture secondary volts with at least a 1 micro second sample interval.  yours is at 101 microseconds.  you won't be able to reliably capture kv spikes with such a low sample rate.  pump it up until you see 1us in the properties box.
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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:47pm
 
your right  Huh, I forgot once again to do that Cry, should I do secondary, primary and it´s current???

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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #20 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 7:15pm
 
AlexE wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:47pm:
should I do secondary, primary and it´s current???


couldn't hurt.  it's fun capturing more than one signal at a time  Wink.  i wish the ckp signal had a missing tooth sync, though.  that would be handy.
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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 8:04pm
 
It does in a way of a different shape spike, at idle  my scanner  shows the advance at 8 deg BTDC
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Re: KTM 690 SMR Pulse generator signal
Reply #22 - Oct 24th, 2012 at 3:47am
 
Alex, is this a CDI ignition?, I have no idea.

I dropped a wave form of my KLR 650 and the CDI signatures look nothing like classic ignition of which I am no expert.

If you look at the burn time it is literally in microseconds and not milliseconds.  I have run this by Tom and other people whom are light years ahead of me and many admit that they know little of CDI.  Volts times amps equals watt, and the KLR is excited by 125volts AC (right off the alternator, no diodes) that's why the coil is only the size of a roll of nickels.  All that said the burn time is significantly different than that of a classic coil, which you have I don't know.


As noted, I'm no Guru, just found it interesting and even my instructors didn't know it, the burn time is so short, because it is so hot, that is the theory.
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