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How does this scope rate vs pico?
Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:53am

Whats the gossip on this scope, Salesman coming round saying its a pico rival and wanting me to use it Smiley

But he is knowen for selling dog poo as chocolate, as a newbie the specs are similar but im sure some of you gurus here can point out its flaws,
http://www.hanatech.net/sub_fr2.asp?ssubNum=5

Im totally not interseted in it, for the small amout i have had my pico i think im too used to it to change, plus i feel i did my research very well on buying a scope which is why im here and apart of autonerdz Smiley

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Reply #1 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 3:52am

Yeah I went to a bursons trade show about a month ago and they wouldn't even try and sell a pico just a hanatech they tried to say a pico is to much overkill for a mechanic and to confusing lol. Have a look it's only a 8 bit scope and wifi.
I feel the same as you do Drjekl, Autonerdz is the best place to get a scope from and I point people to them when they are thinking of buying a scope.
I don't think a could go back to using any other scope or not using one at all. Tried using the workshop it2 for the scope and had to walk away when trying to help someone at work with is because it started to alias looking at injector wave form i couldn't get enough time on the screen to see more than 2 events.
Eg hanatech's 8bit (256 vertical dots) vs pico's 12bit (4096ish vertical dots).
Had a news letter that comes from Toyota at my dealership and someone from another dealer was going on how good it was and i cracked up laughing when i read it.

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Reply #2 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:58am

Drjekl wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:53am:

Whats the gossip on this scope

The Hantek Pico wannabe has not really been comparable with the PicoScope.

I can see they have made some improvements in the model 801 you linked to though. 12 bit, etc.

However, the record length is still pretty poor in comparison. The WiFi communication is a dead giveaway. The wireless technology does not yet exist that can move the 100,000,000 12 bit samples per screen the PicoScope is capable of collecting.

As for the specs, previous Hantek models didn't live up to published specs anyway.

This may also be a clue:

All TME (Toyota Motor Europe) dealers already have a PicoScope.

TMC (Toyota in Japan) also offer the PicoScope as their approved oscilloscope:

http://globaltechstream.com/products/Default.htm?m=/products/Default.htm&lm=/pro...

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Drjekl Senior Member Picogroup Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 157 Paraparaumu New Zealand Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #3 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:10am Thanks Tom, I'll use the wireless example to trump the sales man and he can f off
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Reply #4 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:43pm

Funny about that Tom, all of TMCA (Toyota Australia)technical in Australia just done a deal with mount equipment in Sydney for their pico kits. I was lucky enough to get hold of one last quarter last year but the software was too old and very hard to get hold of even in dealer land. Plus had stuff all accessories with it.
The Nerdz kit is heaps better.
Pretty cool though the Toyota ones have a daughter board on channels b and c for accelerometers to look for NVH (noise vibration harshness) I'll take a picture at work tomorrow of the case.

Didn't know that they upgraded to 12 bit.

But I thought a few months back that they were trying to recruit Tom.

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Reply #5 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 7:12am

Anthony Lamb wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:43pm:

Didn't know that they upgraded to 12 bit.But I thought a few months back that they were trying to recruit Tom.

I was confused in my earlier response....Hanatech (Korea) is a completely different company than Hantek (China).

Yes, I do make mistakes (probably more then most) but freely admit it when i do.... Embarrassed

Hantek tried to recruit me. Grin

Still though....the obvious weakness in the Hanatech Hanascope 801 is the record length. I don't know anyone that has got their hands in one of these 801 scopes.

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Reply #7 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

I bought a hanatech smoke machine a while ago one big mistake I'm always repairing it the Auto Electrician across the road bought a hanatech scope and never uses it. i'm glad I did a lot of research and found Autonerdz and have told another tech about you guys I to haven't had it long but would be lost with out it.
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autosparky Super Nerd Picogroup Offline blind worker Posts: 2,537 Porirua New Zealand Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #8 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:25pm the idea of being wireless is great and probably ok for the basic tests But if I think I know who's selling this in NZ, company only wants to make the one off sale and give very little back-up I got burnt bad on a Bosch product
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mikeynorman Freshman Member Offline Posts: 32 Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #9 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:54pm Blasphemy!!! Thou Shalt have no other sc_pe before me. Exodus 20:3. Pico is it.
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Reply #10 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 2:12am

Anthony Lamb wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:43pm:

Funny about that Tom, all of TMCA (Toyota Australia)technical in Australia just done a deal with mount equipment in Sydney for their pico kits. I was lucky enough to get hold of one last quarter last year but the software was too old and very hard to get hold of even in dealer land. Plus had stuff all accessories with it.
The Nerdz kit is heaps better.
Pretty cool though the Toyota ones have a daughter board on channels b and c for accelerometers to look for NVH (noise vibration harshness) I'll take a picture at work tomorrow of the case.

Didn't know that they upgraded to 12 bit.

But I thought a few months back that they were trying to recruit Tom.

Finally got a picture of it.

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autosparky Super Nerd Picogroup Offline blind worker Posts: 2,537 Porirua New Zealand Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #11 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 12:31am anyone seen this before? 20m sample rate with bluetooth transmission http://www.texa.co.uk/prodotti_dett.asp?sez=dett&id=20
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Re: How does this scope rate vs pico?
Reply #12 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:27am

autosparky wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 12:31am:

anyone seen this before? 20m sample rate with bluetooth transmission

I have not seen that one before.

Since the record length specification is conspicuously absent from the technical data sheet for that unit, there is no way to determine what the real time sample rate would be. All they give you is the maximum sample rate and we all know that is of no use without the record length spec.

Again though, the bluetooth transmission would suggest that it cannot collect all that much data. Even the latest Bluetooth speeds are only a small fraction of USB speeds.

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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,598 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #13 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 12:57pm OK, I found out why the TEXA scope record length specs are not published: The memory is 300 samples when used with bluetooth. When you plug it in via USB it jumps to a massive 500.
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Drjekl Senior Member Picogroup Offline I'm an Autonerd Posts: 157 Paraparaumu New Zealand Gender:	Re: How does this scope rate vs pico? Reply #14 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 11:31pm Tom Roberts wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 12:57pm: The memory is 300 samples when used with bluetooth. When you plug it in via USB it jumps to a massive 500.
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