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shay1 Freshman Member Offline Posts: 25 Israel Israel	A.C.E. Misfire Detective Sep 8^th, 2010 at 3:29am Hi Someone works with this program?? I am very disappointed Thanks shay
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Mick LSD Guide Offline I learn every day Posts: 7,471 Toronto 400ft Ontario Canada Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 3:40am shay1 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 3:29am: Hi Someone works with this program?? I am very disappointed Thanks shay I hope you tried it out before you payed for it like I did, infact I had 2 versions of it and never was happy. Do you have your own first look sensor? Mick
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Reply #2 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 5:45am

I work with first look sensor. I bought before I tested Cry

boughthttp://www.thompsonautomotivelabs.com/home

Do you have this version?http://automotivetestsolutions.com/emissfire.htm
Is this version work Better??

I try with ACE program many GM car with DTC P0300 it's hardly work.
Every time I start the program it's show other cylinder.
it's work only at idle.
the ACE program not work in miss under load .
In 8 cylinder the program not work and not show the right cylinder.
I consult with Thompson from automotive labs and he say to me to look on the wave in 8 cylinder Huh

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And I ask if I need to look on the wave in GM 8 cylinder , why I need ACE program?? Embarrassed

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PEDRO SANCHEZ Guru Member Picogroup Offline Posts: 467 Chicago Illinois USA Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #3 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 5:47am I attended a misfire diagnosis class and was impressed at first. Then I had the chance to play with it a few times that first impression was gone.
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Tom Roberts Autonerdz Administrator Picogroup Offline Autonerdz Founder Posts: 8,598 Olympia Washington USA Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:56am Shay, We don't use, sell, or support the ACE. So, we don't really have anything useful to add about that. Have you tried Pico Diagnostics? It's free from Pico and now included with the latest PicoScope 6 Automotive installer. Still needs some work but the price is right. Getting better all the time.
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Reply #5 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 12:21pm

It has many problems Shay.

Won't print reports on A4 paper correctly.
The PM upgrade has now been withdrawn. (this really gets my goat)
Compression tests are out of scale more often than not.

They say that there is an update coming....

In my opinion I think getting the BASIC FUNCTIONS of the software operating correctly would be a good idea before worrying about things like 64 bit compatibility.
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Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 8:47pm

shay, if your post on iatn about this subject was pulled because of me, i apologize. i had noticed you had the same question posted here, on picotech, and on iatn. when i made my response to you there, they may have misunderstood and thought that you had posted multiple threads on the subject. if that is what happened, please forgive me for screwing it up Sad

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shay1 Freshman Member Offline Posts: 25 Israel Israel	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:08pm Hi larry This what happened. I try to fix it Thanks shay
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rod_au LSD Guide Picogroup Offline Elevation: 19 feet Posts: 1,495 Grafton, NSW, Australia New South Wales Australia Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #8 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 12:39am RoleModel Software, Inc writes the A.C.E software. http://www.rolemodelsoft.com/people If you take a look at the picture at the top of that web page you can actually see the head developer for A.C.E in the bright green t shirt at the end.
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crackerclicker Super Nerd Picogroup Offline Elevation 834 ft Posts: 2,361 Watertown Wisconsin USA Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #9 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 7:58am rod_au wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 12:39am: If you take a look at the picture at the top of that web page you can actually see the head developer for A.C.E in the bright green t shirt at the end. wow, rod, you are a troublemaker!
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shay1 Freshman Member Offline Posts: 25 Israel Israel	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #10 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 8:01am
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Reply #11 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:16am

Perhaps we will also get some positive comments about ACE here. I know that some like it.

John Thompson does the ACE software. I met him years ago when he was in one of my classes back East. Nice smart guy. He told me what he was doing by detecting misfires with a software program and O2 waveforms. I would have never believed it was possible, but he showed me.

Of course, there have been many developments since then. We just never got much involved with it though. I thought it was really cool but was not sure that there was a real market for it and our plate was full anyway.

My suggestion is to give John a chance to assist you with any issues you are having with the ACE and be patient with the process, just like you would be with us. I'm sure he will put out the effort and do the best he can.

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Reply #12 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:33am

Hi Tom

I bought A.C.E program 1 month ago, I believed this program before I bought and I see all DVD of John Thompson and Bernie Thompson from TST.

I work with firstlook 2.5 year without A.C.E program , it's work excellent..

The first car to test was GMC Truck 6.0 2001 VIN U 8 cylinder. the customer complaint was MIL P0300 and misfire in idle cylinder #2 show in tech 2 ( current misfire) no load.
I connect the A.C.E program and the program show cylinder #6.
I write to Thompson Automotive Labs Forums and John wrote to me:
sometimes in 8 cylinder you need to look on the wave to ID the signature of misfire. and I need to look for high line in the correct column.

The second engine was 1.6 Chevrolet optra 2004 4 cylinder MIL on P0300 I connect the A.C.E program and the program show cylinder #1 and #4. I tested secondary wave graph and I find high resistance in Ignition Cable cylinder #2.
I write again to Thompson and he block my posting permissions in the Forums.and send me email:

"Unfortunately your poor usage and understanding of the English language comes across in our forums as harsh, combative and uneducated. Your inability to communicate well in English and to understand what is written in our forums is not good for either of us so we have been forced to remove your ability to post on the forums. You will still however be able to continue reading and learning in any of our forums"

And erase all me post and pic.

I be happy to learning on firstlook misfire graph.

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Reply #13 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:52am

Tom Roberts wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:16am:

Perhaps we will also get some positive comments about ACE here.I know that some like it.

with all of the overlays and understanding what you are looking at (that's the hardest part most times), i don't see what use there is for the ace or the emissfire programs. personally, i wouldn't want a program to take away the coolest part of waveforms. the analyzing part.
john is a very smart person, and his contributions on this forum are more than enough proof. in fact, the ace cam/crank waveform library is a great start to a personal collection. the misfire programs just seem like a crutch that would ultimately delay further learning.

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Reply #14 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 12:05pm

Tom Roberts wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:16am:

My suggestion is to give John a chance to assist you with any issues you are having with the ACE and be patient with the process, just like you would be with us. I'm sure he will put out the effort and do the best he can.

Yes, you are correct Tom. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was looking at the site and saw the picture with the young fella and thought it was funny.

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Reply #15 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 4:20pm

Rod,

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I didn't mean to offend anyone

I'm not offended. Just wanted to be fair to John.

Shay,

I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

OK, so you don't have a full command of the English language. So what? We have members here from all over the world. For many of them English is a second language, perhaps of many. I'm the one that feels like an idiot, speaking and writing only in English. I have no second language. Smiley

No tech has ever been kicked out of The Autonerdz Community Forums. Not to say it couldn't happen. It just never has in all the years we have been here.

I really can't understand why any of that would have happened, but I wasn't there. It's plenty for me to just keep up with these forums Wink

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shay1 Freshman Member Offline Posts: 25 Israel Israel	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2010 at 11:43am Thanks tom shay
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Mike Curtis Junior Member Picogroup Offline Posts: 51 Toledo, Ohio Ohio USA Gender:	Re: A.C.E. Misfire Detective Reply #17 - Sep 16^th, 2010 at 6:38pm well I was thinking of buying this for those strange P0300 codes that dont have any misfire counters... I guess I will still keep doing it the reliable way of looking at the cylinder parade.. And I was really hoping that program was good also...
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Reply #18 - Sep 16^th, 2010 at 9:26pm

Mike Curtis wrote on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 6:38pm:

well I was thinking of buying this for those strange P0300 codes that dont have any misfire counters... I guess I will still keep doing it the reliable way of looking at the cylinder parade..

And I was really hoping that program was good also...

Mike, I wouldn't completely write A.C.E off yet.
I am hopeful that many of these issues will be fixed in the next release.

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Reply #19 - Sep 17^th, 2010 at 1:28pm

Shay,

I've known John Thompson for quite a few years and can tell you that he has always been easy to discuss issues with. Nothing is perfect in this world including software bugs. I've found that his software does work pretty well. No, I don't use it very much, but I think he does deserves some credit for his innovative ideas.

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