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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2009 at 8:29pm
 
Reieved the pico newsletter today so it looks like it is the official release now.

There is a couple of terms in the literature I was curious about.

What is  flexray?

What is the 'always on memory'?

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 2:42am
 
Sam,

Here is some information regarding FlexRay. The specifcations have been developed for automotive applications only. They have neither been developed, nor tested for non-automotive applications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 7:33am
 

Sam,

The 'always on memory' means that the scope is always utilizing the internal 32meg sample memory.  Of course, the samples are stored there in block mode operation.  But, even in streaming modes, this memory is used to process the data in real time.  This helps free up the PC CPU load.

It's amazing how well this thing works with the massive amount of data it is capable of collecting.

Comparing a 50 second four channel Pico 4423 capture with a 52.4 second Modis capture, the Pico 4423 will sample over 133 times faster.  It will collect 133x more data on just one of multiple screens.   Shocked

This means that instead of samples being 400us apart they are only 3us apart.

That's like comparing speed between a VW bug and an F16.   Wink
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 7:38am
 
One more question then since this is using P6 I am guessing there are still small gaps between screens.  Is this less so with the 4000 series hardware?
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #19 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 8:45am
 
Sam,

Yes, there are gaps between each full screen buffer as they are placed into the scrolling capture buffer.

The size of the gaps depend on the scope settings.  The 4000 has a rapid trigger mode where the gaps are very very small but that is only at the faster time bases. (1ms/div and faster)

The gaps, at other block mode time bases using the 4000, can be considerably less while capturing more data but...

When you get into the longer streaming modes with samples jacked up, the gaps get much longer.  This is due to the fact that the PC has to write a LOT of data to the hard drive before continuing.  In the example above, this may be around 40MB for one screen.  That takes several seconds.  However, when you have such a large seamless capture time on one screen with all the detail you would ever need, the pause between screens is less relevant.

Keeping in mind that the 4423 can collect 8x more data than a 3423 at the 5s/div example above.  So, it's not surprising that it might take 8x longer to write it to the hard drive with those settings.

So......It depends   Wink
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #20 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 

Here is another example. 

Channels IDs are in the notes.

A CKP
B CMP
C #1 Inj
D #1 Secondary

5s/div capture with 3 microsecond sample intervals on each of four channels.

You can still see clearly the compression and waste events for cyl #1 zoomed in 264x.   Cool

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #21 - Mar 7th, 2009 at 5:25pm
 

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Autonerdz will be doing the world debut on the new scopes at the ATE show, so be sure to stop by our booth, if you are atttending:

http://www.atetrainingexpo.com/

This is the first time these will be exhibited anywhere.


Guess there was one of these at Vision so the above statement was not entirely correct.  I did check the Vision site and Pico site to see if there were any exhibitions before ours but none were listed.  Nothing in the Pico newsletter about that either.  I have been known to be mistaken before  Wink

In any case, if you really want to see one as only Autonerdz can show you....ATE is the place to be. 

BTW Bryan,  I did put that 4423 performance chart together.  You can get it here:

http://www.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1236465435

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Reply #22 - Mar 8th, 2009 at 1:54pm
 
Very cool, thanks Tom.
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #23 - Mar 8th, 2009 at 3:03pm
 
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Guess there was one of these at Vision so the above statement was not entirely correct.


I'll confirm the 4423 was displayed at Vision. The vendor was unknown before my arrival.
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Reply #24 - Mar 16th, 2009 at 12:11pm
 
I'm gutted.....

I bought my new 4 channel automotive kit two weeks too early  Cry

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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #25 - Mar 25th, 2009 at 7:01pm
 
Are there any upgrade options for the 4423 ? I just bought my 3423 kit in december. I think I read on here that there wasn't any just want to clarify.
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Re: Another Quantum Leap
Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 
Bryan,

There was no trade in upgrade policy in place until just recently.  It's kinda complicated but there are options now if your 3000 scope is less than 6 months old.

Contact me for details.


Steve,

Contact your vendor to find out what your trade in options are.
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Reply #27 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 8:32pm
 
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