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Message started by James H on Aug 21st, 2024 at 10:35am

Title: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by James H on Aug 21st, 2024 at 10:35am
I have a intermittent running problem and suspecting an ignition problem. Can someone comment on this waveform (dropouts) as to whether this is an actual issue or just a glitch with the amp clamp? I suspect its just the amp clamp - thoughts?
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Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by rayray on Aug 21st, 2024 at 11:29am
Looks like the glitch can be caused by a break in the amp clamp's cable into  the amp clamp.

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by James H on Aug 21st, 2024 at 11:47am
I thought possibly but can't seem to duplicate it checking anything else.

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:00pm
Are you able to repeat the results after zeroing the amp clamp?  What about connecting a voltage channel(s) to confirm what's going with the circuit?

Was this measurement taken at or near the coil where the coil itself is the only possible load in the circuit?

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by Grant Baker on Aug 21st, 2024 at 4:39pm

TrevorSchlientz wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:00pm:
What about connecting a voltage channel(s) to confirm what's going with the circuit?

My thought also.

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by James H on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:13am
The rare time I did see it there does not seem to be any corresponding fault in primary voltage that I was also hooked up to. The measurement was taken near (about 4 inches away from the coil). Zeroing the clamp did not seem to help. Must be the amp clamp

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by TrevorSchlientz on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 7:45am

James H wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:13am:
The rare time I did see it there does not seem to be any corresponding fault in primary voltage that I was also hooked up to. The measurement was taken near (about 4 inches away from the coil). Zeroing the clamp did not seem to help. Must be the amp clamp


If the clamp were defective I would expect it to show up elsewhere too. Not just trying to measurer this one coil on one machine. 

Out curiosity, what current probe are you using? Is it an entry level or is it a more premium probe? I ask because the more economy probes have less shielding which leaves them susceptible to outside interference.

Also, just had another odd thought. What if the vibration of the probe cause the jaws to open slightly while in use? I've had it before where a wire I was testing was too taught and would pull the jaws open.

Regardless, if the probe were faulty I would expect that you'd experience issues with it regularly.

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by James H on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:48am
Pico TA018. I know if its up close to the coil then the amperage reading is wildly inaccurate. I am kinda at a loss cause I have not seen it on anything else.

Title: Re: Ignition coil Amp ramp waveform
Post by Spence on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 3:41am

James H wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:48am:
Pico TA018. I know if its up close to the coil then the amperage reading is wildly inaccurate. I am kinda at a loss cause I have not seen it on anything else.

Try putting the voltage trace with it. That may give some insight.

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