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Message started by James H on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:03am

Title: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by James H on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:03am
Some of you may find this interesting even thou I am not sure how much you run into Capacitive Discharge Ignition systems. This is a single cylinder 450cc 4 stroke. If you look at the misfire when snapping the throttle you do not see the conventional sloping upwards spark line like you do in a std transistorized system. You can only tell by the higher voltage where the spark line jumps out. Not sure but maybe it would be due to the CDI's "punch thru effect". (normal spark duration I have seen on these systems is about 80 Micro sec)
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Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by Spence on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:16am
Interesting James! I just so happen to be tuning a vehicle on the dyno that has this same style of ignition. This one is MSD and lower rpms and single at high. Doing some testing for some slight high rpm break up.


Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by Spence on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:17am
Looking at your capture was it leaning out or was this after you corrected?

Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by James H on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:25am
Spence, that capture is with it lean on a snap (acceleration) only. It would stutter and miss a bit. Fixed the problem by adjusting the TPS. It was at .48 volts at idle. Set it at .55 Volts and it ran perfect.

Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by Spence on Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:16am
I monitored my A/F and it wasn't that far off the mark. The capture I have was monitoring the ignition primary volts and amps, ignition secondary and WPS watching fuel pressure at the rail.

I was able to pull some timing out to help this setup. Seems to drive through the rpm better but I am still working on it at the time of making this post.

Thanks for posting yours!

Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by Spence on Aug 11th, 2018 at 10:24am
By chance did you get a capture of it after you stopped it having the issue?

Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by James H on Aug 12th, 2018 at 5:19pm
No, unfortunately time didn't permit.

Title: Re: CDI Ignition pattern on lean misfire
Post by StitchB on Aug 14th, 2018 at 6:58am
Interesting, and like everything what does a good one look like?, and 80micro is nothing like standard ignition so this is your own learning curve, what I call empirical studies.

Seems the Pico is working out for James, good for you.


Stitch B

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