Hey guys, I had the vehicle mentioned above in the shop today for a basic service and had the tires rotated. Both identifix and mitchell prodemand had almost no info on whether or not positions need to be re-learned or if it will relearn new positions on it's own while being driven.

We found a function on scanner to relearn ID's, so we went ahead and followed the steps. At one point it did say that proceeding will cause ID's to be cleared and must be triggered with appropriate tool to complete process. Fine and dandy, nothing that hasn't been done before and sounded straight forward. Clicked OK and TPMS light on dash started to flash - perfect I thought, now we're in relearn mode I suspected. Grabbed by trigger tool and it wouldn't ID a sensor. Grabbed another trigger tool and it did read sensor, but vehicle gave no confirmation about receiving signal, and scan tool, which showed 4 tires did not show any indication module had received a trigger signal. So I went around and did all 4 tires, nothing from the vehicle side that anything was completed. TPMS light still was flashing. No pressures could be read from dash. Trouble code C1769 was set in TPMS module -- Tire air pressure monitoring system configuration cannot be performed.
Receiver ID registration cannot be performed-- This code would set immediately, if cleared.

After a few hours of phone calls and reading, it was determined to drive vehicle while in this learn mode - TPMS light flashing - for minimum of 10 minutes above 20mph. Did that and light went out and pressures returned to dash and all was well, or so I thought. I got back to shop and was going to adjust pressures to spec and when I adjusted left front tire, the right rear position changed it's pressure reading on the dash. And vice versa, RR adjusted, the LF psi changed. RF and LR were in correct positions. I didn't want to go through this again, and just left it.  [smiley=confused.gif]

Any Nissan guys want to chime in and call me a bone head for not doing something...feel free. What an awful start to the week, but did learn something however, so not a total loss.  ;D

Clarke, maybe PM HarleyMike and see if he can help you. He is a Datsooon tech ;)

Ya I think I will do that

Hey guys, The short answer for now is.... in 2014 and 2015 Nissan produced 2 very different Rogue's.

The "new" body style which you have requires no re-learn.

I think your S.I gave you the procedure for the "old" body style, which would have been the correct procedure after the rotate.

Did your service info offer 2 different Rogue's for '15?, if so they may refer to the older one as "Rogue Select" , or try looking up the procedure for a 2016 Rogue only 1 body style after '15.

I did see Rogue and Rogue Select on my TPMS trigger tool. I believe they were different frequencies. This vehicle was 433MHz, and I used Rogue - not Select.

Rogue and Rogue Select was also offered on Mitchell ProDemand. I feel I did use the correct vehicle when looking up S.I.


kwrencher wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 11:57am:

I got back to shop and was going to adjust pressures to spec and when I adjusted left front tire, the right rear position changed it's pressure reading on the dash. And vice versa, RR adjusted, the LF psi changed. RF and LR were in correct positions.

However, if no re-learn is required, why were the LF and RR positions flip flopped? I supposed I should have looked at scan data and compared ID's on scanner to ID's read from trigger tool and furthered my diagnosis

kwrencher wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

However, if no re-learn is required, why were the LF and RR positions flip flopped?

I'm not sure on that, but on this system the sensor's transmit pressure, and the ABS system I.D's wheel position.

I know its very sensitive to...... say ... add a replacement sensor, sometimes I have had to open the door closest to the tire I am trying to initialize to allow the BCM to see the signal, most of the time I do these on the lift so I can turn the valve stem  closest to the BCM.  3 oclock L/F     9 oclock  R/F   ect.

And we can't rule out the possibility the system may have had an issue before you.... After all it's a Nissan ;D ;D

HarleyMike wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

I'm not sure on that, but on this system the sensor's transmit pressure, and the ABS system I.D's wheel position.

This vehicle has been a regular at our shop for service, so I will check next time it's in and maybe rotate tires so ID's match proper corners. Care to expand on why Nissan is using the ABS system to ID wheel position? Or is it just part of that module function?

kwrencher wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Rogue and Rogue Select was also offered on Mitchell ProDemand. I feel I did use the correct vehicle when looking up S.I.

First off, my apologies for ASSuming you improperly I.D the vehicle, it is a very common issue with '14 and '15 Rogue's.



kwrencher wrote on Oct 5^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Care to expand on why Nissan is using the ABS system to ID wheel position?

When Nissan offered the "Easy fill tire alert function" and got away from the plain ole' low tire . light, they offered real time and tire location on some models.

The first set up that was used, the BCM, RKE(remote keyless entry module) and the antenna's for the outside push button door lock/unlock  R.F.. L.F and bumper ( for the trunk unlock/lock button) would all communicate and triangulate the tire pressure and tire location.  This system works ..but has a lot of "moving" parts,  in fact I think some models still use this set-up. Basically its a bunch of transmitters and receivers talking, and depending on signal strength and the time it takes to receive the signal it decides location and pressure.

Now on the Infiniti side they use a transmitter for each wheel and a receiver for each wheel for the best accuracy, its great but......$$$$$

The Rouge system eliminates the RKE and just uses the BCM and the ABS system via CAN, fewer "moving" parts, just better software. 

This is a quote from one of my training guides "At speeds of 25mph or greater the BCM receives a pressure signal from the TPM in each wheel. ABS c.u.transmits each wheel position to the BCM; BCM detects rotational synchronous pattern of the TPMS and ABS, then tire position is automatically detected".