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Message started by TomSr71 on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Title: In cylinder compression testing
Post by TomSr71 on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:30pm
I have a 2001 Nissan 3.0 as a trainer car it starts and stalls fairly fast I am trying to learn as much as I can from the in cylinder test. I am not in a hurry to fix this car but would like some input on analyzing the results I have. With a mechanical compression gauge I am getting around 225psi after 10 seconds cranking. This is similar on all 6 cylinders. This is a learning car so I am not rushing o fix just get some experience with scope.
https://yabb.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2//YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=_2_2001nissan_timming_problem_maybey.psdata (142 KB | )
https://yabb.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2//YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=2001nissan_timming_problem_maybey.psdata (148 KB | )
https://yabb.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2//YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=2001_Nissan_Maxima.psdata (4088 KB | )

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by TomSr71 on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:42pm
The last file I uploaded is running test and on frames 15 - 16 is the engine stalling. This is the first car I have done in cylinder compression test with scope.  I noticed is as engine stalls the pressure increases is that normal?

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by dennisb on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:59pm
tom
i would like to see cam and crank signals along with comp. capture to help verify timing.  the capture you posted does not give enough info to tell what has taken place if timing is off.
                                                    
                                                            dennis

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by TomSr71 on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:17pm
I should have some time tomorrow for cam and crank.

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by Abndanger on Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:30am
Tom, along with cmp & crk would like to see a sync on the coil for that cylinder. Don't forget to connect a spark tester to the coil. Don't want to damage a driver. ;)

Maybe HarleyMike will step in here. He works at a Nissan dealership :)

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by HarleyMike on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:29am
http://www.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1418010021

Reply #3 from this link are the cam specs.

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by HarleyMike on Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:51am
Hey Tom, the next time you are poking around under the hood could you let me know if that engine has an EGR valve. Some did and some didn,t in 01.

If it has one it will be buried under the IAC valve and hard to spot, I think it would be electric also.

And also what cylinder are you testing?

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by Tom Roberts on Dec 17th, 2014 at 9:01am

TomSr71 wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:42pm:
I noticed is as engine stalls the pressure increases is that normal?


Yes.  Compression pressures and intake pressures have a direct relationship.  Intake pressure higher then compression pressure is  higher.  That's why cranking compression pressure is higher than running pressure.
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Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by TomSr71 on Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:42pm
I had a quick chance to get cam and crank today
https://yabb.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2//YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Nissan_Maxima_2001_20141217-0001.psdata (6071 KB | )
https://yabb.autonerdz.com/cgi/yabb2//YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Nissan_Maxima_2001_20141217-0002.psdata (3512 KB | )

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by JNelson on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:00pm
Tom, wow. That is a great pic, shows how direct the pressures are connected.

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by Logic on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:09am

JNelson wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
Tom, wow. That is a great pic, shows how direct the pressures are connected.


Absolutely bravo..........

I take it that all the engines in this discussion are similar.

Petrol?

Tom, Do you have a know relationship between these parameters and a common rail diesel, can one make the same comparison?




Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by JNelson on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:11am
Logic, thinking about intake pressure/vacuum
I try to start from absolute zero pressure.
Then the pressure under boost from diesel is no different (just slightly higher in the scale) that intake vacuum. So I would think the relationship would be the same.

Title: Re: In cylinder compression testing
Post by Tom Roberts on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:46am

Logic wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:09am:
Absolutely bravo..........


That's a capture Brian did some time ago just goofing around.


Logic wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:09am:
can one make the same comparison?


I freely admit I am diesel illiterate.  But if intake pressures change then I would think that we would have the same effect.  However, doing an in cylinder pressure test for that long would likely kill the transducer from the heat of compression.

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